Jessica Chastain: "He ʻeono koʻu manaʻo - ka manaʻo o ka mahalo"

ʻO ka poʻe huluhulu ʻulaʻula, he mea lapuwale iaʻu. He mea lapuwale. A hauʻoli pinepine. ʻO ka mea hope wale nō e pili ana iā Jessica Chastain: ʻo ia - ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoiaʻiʻo - ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoluʻolu wale i ka maka. A ke ʻakaʻaka ʻo ia, ʻakaʻaka nā mea a pau i loko o kāna ʻakaʻaka - nā maka, nā poʻohiwi, nā lima keʻokeʻo liʻiliʻi, a me ka wāwae i keʻa ma luna o kona wāwae, a me nā kāmaʻa ballet ʻakaʻaka me ke ʻano o ka waha holoholona, ​​a me kahi pālule ʻōmaʻomaʻo ʻōmaʻomaʻo, a me nā pālule keʻokeʻo me nā puʻupuʻu ruched. , he aha mea kaikamahine, kindergarten. He kanaka kūpaʻa maoli ʻo ia. Akā, ʻaʻohe mea ʻino i loko o ia mea.

Ma ke ala, ʻino ʻo ia - ua ʻike anei ʻoe? ʻO ka ihu ʻeleʻele, ka ʻili haikea, nā maka keʻokeʻo. ʻAʻole ʻoe i ʻike.

ʻAʻole wau i ʻike. He mea hana keaka ʻo ia i hiki i kekahi ke lilo. He mea minamina ia, hoʻowalewale, hoʻopunipuni, hoʻopā, he lawehala, he mea ʻeha, he goth i ka ʻili ʻeleʻele a he kaikamahine i loko o kahi crinoline. Ua ʻike mākou iā ia ma ke ʻano he rocker ma Andres Muschietti's Mama, ma ke ʻano he villain ma Guillermo del Toro's Crimson Peak, ma ke ʻano he CIA a me Mossad agent ma Katherine Bigelow's Target One a me John Madden's Payback, ma ke ʻano he wahine hoʻohenehene i hāʻule i ke kōkua. ʻO Tate Taylor, ka makuahine ʻehaʻeha ma Ned Benson's The Disappearance of Eleanor Rigby, ka makuahine madonna, ke ʻano o ka manaʻo ʻole i loko o Terrence Malick's The Tree of Life, a ʻo Salome me kāna hoʻopunipuni a me kāna hoʻopunipuni.

ʻAʻole hiki ke ʻike ʻole ʻia, ʻaʻole hiki ke hoʻokaʻawale ʻia mai ke kua. A ʻo Chastain, e noho ana i mua oʻu, ʻaʻohe mea e pili ana i kēia mana āpau - ʻo kāna makana hana, ka hiki ke hoʻomalu i ko mākou mau manaʻo, ka hiki ke hoʻonohonoho i kahi ākea ākea a puni iā ​​​​ia a ma ka manawa like he ʻāpana wale nō o ka holoʻokoʻa. A ʻaʻohe palaka. Kaʻina ʻēkoʻa, lawe ʻo ia i ke kuleana piha iā ia iho - hoʻomaka ʻo ia i kā mākou kamaʻilio ma ka moʻolelo.

ʻO Jessica Chastain: Mai nīnau mai iaʻu pehea wau i kaulana ai i ka pō. A pehea koʻu manaʻo i koʻu hele ʻana i ka ʻulaʻula Cannes me Brad Pitt lāua ʻo Sean Penn. Ma hope o nā makahiki he nui o ka hāʻule ʻole a me nā hoʻāʻo kūleʻa ʻole. Mai nīnau.

Nā manaʻo noʻonoʻo: No ke aha mai?

JC: No ka mea… No ke aha, nīnau mai nā mea a pau iaʻu i kēia nīnau - e pili ana i kaʻu 2011, i ka wā i puka mai ai nā kiʻiʻoniʻoni ʻeono i ka manawa like, i pana ʻia i nā manawa like ʻole, i loko o ʻeono mahina. A hoʻomaka lākou e ʻike mai iaʻu. ʻIke ʻoe, ua 34 wau, ʻo ia ka makahiki e noʻonoʻo ai nā mea hana ʻē aʻe me ka makaʻu: he aha ka mea e hiki mai ana? ʻAʻole wau he kaikamahine hou, ʻaʻole paha e ola au ma ke ʻano he heroine aloha ... A makemake lākou iaʻu i kēia manawa ... ma nā ʻano āpau (kaʻaka). Me - a inā paha lākou e pana. Ua piha au i 34. A maopopo iaʻu ka mea waiwai maoli, a me ka mea, ka mea hoʻonani.

I koʻu makahiki he 25, ua pepehi koʻu kaikuahine ʻo Juliet iā ia iho. Hoʻokahi makahiki ʻōpio iaʻu. Ua ʻike mākou ma mua o kēlā - ua hakakā ʻo ia me kona makuahine, ua hoʻoholo e noho me ko mākou makuakāne biological - ua ʻike wale mākou ma ke kula kiʻekiʻe ʻo ia ko mākou makuakāne, ma ka palapala hānau ma ke kolamu «makuakane» he dash mākou. He ʻōpio kona mau mākua i ko lāua hui ʻana, a laila haʻalele kona makuahine i kona makuakāne ... Ua loaʻa ʻo Juliet i ke kaumaha. ʻO nā makahiki lōʻihi. A ʻaʻole hiki i kona makuakāne ke kōkua iā ia. Ua pana ʻo ia iā ia iho me kāna pū i loko o kona hale… He 24 ona makahiki… Ua ulu pū māua, ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke kōkua iā ia.

Ua hoʻohuli ʻia iaʻu i lalo: koʻu mau manaʻo - e pili ana i ka kūleʻa, kūleʻa, kālā, ʻoihana, pōmaikaʻi, pilina, lole, Oscars, i manaʻo ʻia e kekahi he naʻaupō wau ... No nā mea āpau. A hoʻomaka wau e noʻonoʻo i koʻu ola he holomua piha. ʻAʻole lākou i lawe i loko o ke kiʻi - he ʻōpala, akā hana wau a loaʻa kālā. Ua loaʻa iā ia kekahi? E ola au i kekahi mea, ola au.

Akā, pehea ʻoe e hoʻohaʻahaʻa ai i ka pā?

JC: A kapa aku au he haahaa. ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke ʻike i ka make e kokoke mai ana, ka hohonu i mua o ke kanaka kokoke loa - no ke aha e kaena ai i kēia manawa? No ke aha e hoʻohālikelike ai ʻo ka nui o ka uku e hoʻoholo ai i kekahi mea? Pono kākou e ʻike hou aku! Ua make ka makua kāne ma hope koke iho o ka pepehi kanaka ʻana o kona kaikuahine. ʻAʻole au i ka hoʻolewa. ʻAʻole no ka mea ʻaʻole wau i ʻike iā ia, akā no ka… Ua ʻike ʻoe, aia hoʻokahi kanaka kupaianaha i koʻu ola. ʻO koʻu makuakāne kēia, ʻo Michael. He kanaka kinai ahi wale nō ʻo ia… ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole wale.

He mea ho'ōla a ho'ōla ma ke kāhea ʻana. A i kona ʻike ʻana mai i ko mākou hale, ʻo ka manawa mua wau i ʻike ai i ke ʻano o ka mālie a me ka palekana. He keiki au, ewalu makahiki. Ma mua o kēlā, ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo hilinaʻi. Me ia i loko o koʻu ola aia kahi manaʻo palekana. ʻAe, ua kipaku ʻia mākou i kekahi manawa no ka hoʻolimalima lohi, ʻae, ʻaʻohe o mākou kālā - ʻoiai, ʻelima mau keiki. A ua hoʻi mai au i ka hale mai ke kula, a hoʻopaʻa kekahi kanaka i ka puka o ko mākou hale, nānā mai iaʻu me ke aloha a nīnau mai inā makemake wau e lawe i kekahi o kaʻu mau mea, ʻo ia, he ʻano bea paha ...

Eia nō naʻe - ua ʻike mau wau e mālama ʻo Michael iā mākou, a no laila e hoʻoponopono ʻia nā mea a pau. A ʻaʻole au i hele i ka hoʻolewa o koʻu makuakāne no ka mea makaʻu wau o hōʻeha koʻu makua kāne i kēia. A laila, ma mua o ka hoʻomaka mua ʻana o The Tree of Life, ʻaʻole ia he mea nui iaʻu i Cannes - ʻoiai he mea hoʻokipa kiʻiʻoniʻoni weliweli wau, a ʻo ka hele ʻana i Cannes ʻo ia hoʻi iaʻu e ʻike i nā mea āpau, nā mea āpau i hōʻike ʻia ma laila! - ʻaʻole, he mea nui iaʻu i huikau, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu i ka mea e hana ai ma kēia alapiʻi o ka Palais des Festivals, a lawe ʻo Brad lāua ʻo Sean i koʻu mau lima. Ua kōkua i ka mea hou e maʻa iā ia.

Akā, he mea kupanaha kāu mau hoʻokō: mai ka wā kamaliʻi paʻakikī a hiki i nā alapiʻi Cannes a i ka Oscars. Aia kekahi mea e haʻaheo ai.

JC: ʻAʻole kēia wale kaʻu mau hana. Ua kōkua mai lākou iaʻu i nā manawa a pau! Ma keʻano laulā, nānā au i ka wā i hala ma ke ʻano he kaulahao pau ʻole o ke kōkua o kekahi. ʻAʻole maikaʻi wau i ke kula. Ua ʻulaʻula au, ʻeleʻele. ʻokiʻoki au i koʻu lauoho no ke kūʻē ʻana i ke ʻano o ke kula me ka ʻōhule, kapa ʻia nā kaikamahine pēpē iaʻu he ʻino. Aia kēia ma nā papa haʻahaʻa. Akā ʻehiku oʻu makahiki i ka wā i lawe ai koʻu kupuna wahine iaʻu i ka pāʻani. ʻO Joseph lāua ʻo kāna Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, he mele na Andrew Lloyd Webber. A ʻo ia, nalo wau, loaʻa i ka maʻi keaka. I ka hola 9 ua hele au i ke keʻena keaka. A loaʻa iaʻu koʻu poʻe kānaka. Ua kōkua ka hale keaka iaʻu e lilo iaʻu iho, a ʻokoʻa koʻu mau hoa ma laila, a me nā kumu. I kēia manawa ua kamaʻāina wau i nā keiki a pau i loaʻa nā pilikia, a me koʻu kaikunāne a me koʻu kaikuahine - ua puka koke lākou mai ke kula - ke ʻōlelo nei au: ʻo ke kula kahi kaiapuni ʻole, kahi kaiapuni ʻole. E huli i kāu.

ʻAʻohe pilikia ma ke kamaʻilio ʻana, aia ke kamaʻilio me ka poʻe hewa. A ʻaʻohe pilikia pilikia, ʻaʻole ʻoe. A laila, ma hope o ke kula, ua hōʻoiaʻiʻo koʻu kupuna wahine iaʻu ʻaʻohe mea e noʻonoʻo e pili ana i ka loaʻa kālā, pono ʻoe e hoʻāʻo e lilo i mea hana keaka. Ua aie au i keia mau koho koho Oscar a me na kapena ulaula i ko'u kupunawahine! ʻO wau ka mua o ko mākou ʻohana nui i hele i ke kulanui! Ua hōʻoiaʻiʻo ʻo Tūtū iaʻu hiki iaʻu. A hele pū ʻo ia me aʻu i New York, i ka Juilliard kaulana, kahi o ka hoʻokūkū he 100 poʻe ma kahi noho.

Eia hou, ʻaʻole au e ʻike iā Juilliard inā ʻaʻole i hoʻokumu ʻo Robin Williams, ka mea i puka i ke kula ponoʻī iā ia iho, i kahi haʻawina no nā haumāna haʻahaʻa. Ua kōkua mai lākou iaʻu i nā manawa a pau. No laila ke ʻōlelo nei au he ʻono koʻu. He manaʻo mahalo kēia. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei au ʻo ia ka manaʻo nui e hiki i ke kanaka ke ʻike - ma mua o nā hoaaloha, aloha a me nā aloha. I ka wā i pepehi ai ʻo Williams iā ia iho, ua noʻonoʻo wau pehea wau i ʻike ʻole ai iā ia, ʻaʻole i hoʻomaikaʻi pilikino iā ia ...

ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻaʻole wau i makemake e hoʻokau. Akā, ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi ala e mahalo ai iā ia. ʻO kēlā mau haʻawina like no nā haumāna. Hāʻawi mau au i ke kālā i ka waihona. A ma hope o ka make ʻana o Williams, ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi hui i hoʻolaʻa ʻia no ka pale ʻana i ke ola. He inoa nui kona — To Write Love on Her Arms («Write» love «on her arms.» — Approx. ed.). Ke hoʻāʻo nei ka poʻe hana ma laila e hoʻihoʻi i ke aloha i ka poʻe ... kākoʻo wau iā lākou. Mahalo iā ʻoe ma nā ʻano like ʻole.

Akā, ʻaʻole ʻoe makemake e ʻōlelo ʻaʻole pono nā hoʻokō iā ʻoe!

JC: ʻAe, ua loaʻa iā lākou! ʻAʻole wau makemake e lilo i ʻano ʻulaʻula. Makemake mau wau e ʻike ʻia he mea hana keaka - ma o nā ʻano, ʻaʻole ma o ka mea aʻu e launa pū ai a ʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, he vegan. ʻIke ʻoe, ma Hollywood, ʻo ka mea kiʻekiʻe loa o ka ʻoihana o ka mea hana keaka he "catwoman" hui, ka heroine o kekahi puke kiʻiʻoniʻoni a i ʻole he "kaikamahine Bond". ʻAʻole wau kūʻē i nā kaikamahine Bond, akā ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo i kēlā mau noi. ʻAʻole wau he kaikamahine Bond, ʻo Bond wau! ʻO wau wale nō, ʻo wau ka meʻe o kaʻu kiʻiʻoniʻoni.

Ma hope o Juilliard, ua kau inoa wau i kahi ʻaelike me kahi hui i hana i nā moʻolelo, a ua hoʻokani i nā ʻāpana i kā lākou hōʻike āpau. ʻAʻole au i manaʻo i nā pānaʻi nani. Ua makaʻu wau - he makaʻu kamaliʻi kēia, ʻoiaʻiʻo - ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke uku i ka hoʻolimalima. Ua loaʻa iaʻu he ʻeono kaukani i ka mahina, ma hope o nā hoʻokaʻawale ʻana he ʻekolu, he 1600 ke kumu kūʻai o kahi hale ma Santa Monica, akā hoʻolimalima mau wau i ka hapalua me kekahi, no laila ua loaʻa iā 800. A loaʻa iaʻu ʻelua envelopes - "No kahi hale" a " No ka ai».

Mai kēlā me kēia uku, waiho au i ke kālā ma laila, ʻaʻole hiki ke hōʻino ʻia. A hiki i kēia manawa, ua hoʻokele wau i kahi Prius, aʻu i kūʻai ai i kēlā manawa, ma 2007. Hiki iaʻu ke ola a hana pono. A hiki iaʻu ke mahalo i kaʻu mea i kēia manawa. ʻIke ʻoe, ua kūʻai aku au i kahi hale ma Manhattan - ʻo ke kumu kūʻai, ʻoiaʻiʻo, nani, ʻo Manhattan kēia, akā haʻahaʻa ka hale. A makemake wau e loaʻa i kahi hale haʻahaʻa - kahi ʻano kanaka. He unahi e like me aʻu. ʻAʻole nā ​​hale 200-mika.

ʻŌlelo ʻoe e like me ke kanaka ʻoluʻolu iā ia iho. Manaʻo ʻoe iā ʻoe iho he "maikaʻi"?

JC: ʻAe, ua holomua au ma ke ala. Ua hauʻoli loa au, he ʻeha! ʻO kahi i loko oʻu ka hilinaʻi e hiki iaʻu ke lilo i mea maikaʻi loa. A no laila pono e lawe i ka nui loa. Inā ʻaʻole koʻu mau hoaaloha… ʻO ia ka manawa ma Cannes, i koʻu wā mua me ka "Laau o ke Ola", ua hopohopo nui wau. ʻAe, ʻaʻole au i ʻike pehea e hele ai au ma kēia kaʻa ʻulaʻula… Mai ka hōkele a mākou i holo ai i ka Palais des Festivals ma ke kaʻa, mālie, mālie, he kuʻuna ma laila.

Me aʻu ʻo Jess Wexler, koʻu hoa pili a me koʻu hoa papa. Ke hoʻomau nei au i ka uē ʻana i kēlā weliweli, weliweli, weliweli, e hehi wau i ke alapiʻi ma luna o koʻu hem, ma ka ʻaoʻao o Brad wau e like me ka naʻaupō - me koʻu kiʻekiʻe 162 cm hoʻohenehene - a ua kokoke wau e luaʻi. A hiki i kāna ʻōlelo ʻana, "Ahaʻi ʻoe, e hele i mua! E wehe wale i ka puka - ma ka liʻiliʻi loa e loaʻa i ka paʻi kahi mea e kākau ai! Ka mea i lawe mai iaʻu i koʻu noʻonoʻo. ʻIke ʻoe, ke mālama ʻoe i nā pilina me nā poʻe i ʻike iā ʻoe i nā kūlana ʻino loa, aia ka manaʻolana e aʻo i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo e pili ana iā ʻoe iho. ʻO ia ke kumu e mālama ai au iā lākou, naʻu.

Ua ʻōlelo ʻia ʻaʻole ʻoe e aloha i nā hoa hana keaka. He oiaio keia?

JC: ʻO ka lono - akā ʻoiaʻiʻo! ʻAe, ʻaʻole au e launa pū me nā mea keaka. No ka mea, ʻo ka pilina noʻu, ʻo ka hāmama piha, ka ʻoiaʻiʻo loa. A me ka mea hana keaka… He hiki ke huikau — pehea ina e paani pu oia me oe?

Aia kekahi pilikia ma kāu ʻaoʻao?

JC: A ʻaʻole loa au i pāʻani. ʻOiai ma nā kiʻiʻoniʻoni. Manaʻolana wau ua ʻike ʻia.